In this episode of the Evolving Leader podcast, co-hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk to Rob Murray. Rob is a co-founder and CEO of Transformed Leader and a leadership thinker who strives for a deep level of authenticity whilst at the same time being supremely pragmatic in the realities of organisational life. The Human Operating System. Recovering the Heart and Soul of Your Leadership (Jack Nicholson and Rob Murray, 2021) 0.00 Introduction2.34 Let’s start with your story. Tell us about the work that your organisation does, and what motivated you to start the business in the first place?6.16 What do you mean when you say that you were lonely with yourself? 7.39 What can this loss of identity be attributed to?11.09 So having had time to reflect on this, what was your first move?16.34 Exploring the relationship that we have with our partners, and the effect that this has on our leadership.29.16 How have these scenarios influenced the work that you’re doing today, your writing and your research?33.59 So if ‘how are you feeling?’ is a heart question, what is a soul question? What’s the difference?40.45 On this show we’re fascinated with emotions, not as this hard-wired thing but as a sense making mechanism. You’re currently doing some research in this area for your PhD, can you tell us a little about that? 44.25 What are the most prevalent emotions that people are running away from, avoiding or suppressing that are governing their behaviours? 49.40 You mention that showing weakness is counter cultural in many business settings, so many people feeling this way supress it resulting in resentment.53.09 Can we talk about anger, the emotion that is repressed in a lot of organisations, sometimes resulting in a feeling of false positivity. 57.22 Thinking through the lens of intentionality, of recovering the heart and soul of leadership, what is something specific that you could encourage our listeners with right now?  Social: Instagram           @evolvingleader LinkedIn             The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter               @Evolving_LeaderThe Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production.