Get your own copy of Ashley’s new book You Turn at youturnbook.com!   Where do you become perfectionistic?   This week, Ash sits down with Dr. Margaret Rutherford a psychotherapist, author, and podcast host to work through eliminating perfectionism and overcoming perfectly hidden depression.    If you have perfectionist tendencies, Margaret walks through where this behavior stems from, how to recognize this behavior and the tools to move out of perfection and back into living.   Dr. Margaret and Ash talk about the connection between perfection and trauma. This episode holds insight on brain spotting, EMDR, and other modalities people can turn to for support in releasing trauma.    Dr. Margaret shares what classic/clinical depression is and how to reverse this experience. Margaret defines depression as energy imploding inward. So, how do you get this energy to move up and out?…tune in to learn more!   In This Episode, You’ll Learn: The benefits of EMDR are to release trauma and move away from perfection related to trauma. 10 traits of perfectly hidden depression 5 stages of healing from depression Practices to step into a deeper level of self-acceptance   Where to Find Dr. Margaret Rutherford: SelfWork Podcast Perfectly Hidden Depression by Dr. Margaret Rutherford https://drmargaretrutherford.com/ Resources: Want an EMDR Certified Therapst? Contact Nicole Nowparvar nnowparvar@gmail.com   Here is something just for you to sleep more deeply, reduce stress and heal anxiety.    Visit ashleystahl.com/soul and use the code YOUTURN at checkout for 15% off your order!   SANEBOX    Tired of digging through your inbox to find the emails you actually want to read?   Sign up for Sanebox at  https://www.sanebox.com/youturn It is time to feel sane when you open your mail!   Click on this exclusive link to automatically get a $25 credit applied to your account AND get a 14-day FREE trial.   Sick and tired of being sick or tired?    If you want to improve your sleep quality, try Magnesium Breakthrough, the only magnesium supplement I know of that contains 7 different forms of magnesium.    Visit www.magbreakthrough.com/youturn with code YOUTURN10 for a 10% discount on your order.