This is an extended excerpt from the upcoming multi-part series on Dee Hock and the founding of the world's first trillion dollar business VISA. Dee is notoriously private and he has given the Innovation Show the privilege of interviewing him in a multi-part series.

52 years ago, our guest foresaw and implemented the foundations for the world’s first trillion dollar organisation. Back then, Visa was little more than a set of unorthodox convictions about organisation slowly growing in the mind of a young corporate rebel. Today, according to the Visa 2019 annual report, payments and cash volume for the year was a staggering $11.6 trillion dollars, transactions processed on Visa’s networks totalled $138.3 trillion dollars and the year saw some 3.4 billion Visa cards in operation.

Our guest is the man who imagined this reality, who had a once-deemed-impossible vision 52 years ago, a vision that has become a concrete reality today. He is a man who has a different view on what the next 50 years can deliver, but that vision will require a radical shift in mindset for every single one of us.

This excerpt is of Dee Hock recounting the story of the conversation that enabled VISA. Dee worked for a man named Maxwell Carlson. Dee describes Mr Carlson as the best listener he had every met and Dee states “Let there be no doubt about it! If Maxwell Carlson had been a lesser human being,Visa would never have come to be.”