This week an old friend, Vinnie Liu of Bishop Fox, joins Raf and James to talk about the history of App Sec. We started trying to test ourselves secure, and we continue to come back to it - so this episode is a walk down memory lane and a glimpse into the future of application security. Don't forget to like us on iTunes and share with your colleagues!   Guest Vinnie Liu ( @VinnieLiu ) - Vincent Liu (CISSP) is a Partner at Bishop Fox, a security consulting firm providing services to the Fortune 500, global financial institutions, and high-tech startups. With nearly two decades of experience, Vincent is an expert in security strategy, red teaming, and product security; and at Bishop Fox, he oversees firm strategy and client relationships.