All links and images for this episode can be found on CISO Series https://cisoseries.com/defense-in-depth-should-finance-or-legal-mentor-cyber Cybersecurity leaders are constantly looking for ways to improve how they think about risk, and how they communicate risk. But they're not the only ones. Others have been managing risk long before CISOs existed. So, who could be the best mentor to help a CISO gain better insight into business risk and how to communicate about it: the chief financial officer, or the legal department's general counsel? Check out this post for the basis for our conversation on this week’s episode which features me, David Spark (@dspark), producer of CISO Series, guest co-host Geoff Belknap (@geoffbelknap), CISO, LinkedIn, and our guest, David Schellhase (@davidschellhase), general counsel, Slack. Thanks to our podcast sponsor, TrustMAPP TrustMAPP delivers Security Performance Management, giving CISOs a real-time view of the effectiveness of their security program. TrustMAPP tells you where you are, where you’re going, and what it will take to get there. TrustMAPP gives organizations the ability to manage security as a business, quantifying and prioritizing remediation actions and costs. To learn about the MAPP methodology, download the white paper at https://trustmapp.com/mapp-paper/ In this episode Which executive could a CISO learn more about risk? Determining ROI of finance, legal and other execs Analyzing why its so important to establish the ideal mentorship relationship