Based on her invaluable playbook for anxious parents everywhere, Michelle Icard thinks with Kelly about mistakes and making sure that rebellions don’t become the headline of our kids’ childhoods, but rather a jumping off point. This is a conversation to save us all from the overreactions and regrets that stymie growth. Michelle’s book is 8 Setbacks That Can Make a Child A Success, available August 22, 2023.

Warning: this episode includes a brief discussion of suicide.