In our second discussion with Professor Clinton Fernandes from the University of New South Wales in Canberra, Australia, which is part of  the Australian Defence Force Academy, we talked about the new Australian  deal to buy subs from the U.S., and the larger role of Australia as a "sub-Imperial" country, not powerful in its own right so much as a  supportive nation for American efforts in the Pacific.   
Outro music is "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" by the Pogues.
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Links// 

Trade routes or War Games?: Subs and the geopolitics behind the China  threat (https://bit.ly/3E92ALE) 
Aukus: French contractor ‘astonished’ at cancellation of Australia  submarine deal (https://bit.ly/3CnSJkM)  

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