In this episode, Kavi invites Amoda Maa to explore the essence of Jiddu Krishnamurti’s teachings by asking her to comment on his famous statement “The difference between you and me is, I don’t mind what happens.” The conversation includes an exploration of how the mind habitually labels and categorizes all experience, how craving and aversion are a by-product of this, and how the prison of an "inner divided state" is created. The conversation also includes an examination of the difference between “not minding” and “not caring”, and whether the mind has any useful function at all.