In this episode, Amoda Maa is in conversation with Zen teacher Henry Shukman. The conversation is facilitated by Kavi who asks questions about the profound awakening experienced by both of these teachers … Henry within the path of Zen and Amoda without any tradition or teacher. Were these experiences the same or different? And what impact did these experiences have on how life was lived since that time? These questions and more are explored!  About Henry trained for years in the Sanbo Zen lineage, and is now an authorized Zen master, leading Mountain Cloud Zen Center in Santa Fe, New Mexico. His memoir One Blade of Grass chronicles his journey. www.mountaincloud.org