Dee and Carol talk about viburnums, elderberries, books by Anna Pavord, and more.Helpful links:Dee's blog post on Native shrubs to replace roses - Red Dirt Ramblings®Carol's old blog post (2007!) on Who's Afraid of the Big Broad ShrubsMore on elderberries from Minnesota Wildflowers websiteAmazon link to books by Anna PavordThe Curious Gardener, by Anna Pavord The Seasonal Gardener: Creative Plant Combinations, by Anna Pavord. (Also on Bookshop.org.The Tulip, Twentieth Anniversary Edition, by Anna PavordLandskipping: Painters, Ploughmen and Places, by Anna PavordCookbooks:The Rancho de Chimayo Cookbook Red or Green: New Mexico CuisineWild Geese Bookshop, where Carol will be on the porch answering gardening questions on May 21st from 1:00 - 2:00 pmAffiliate link to Botanical Interest Seeds. (If you buy something from them after using this link, we earn a small commission at no cost to you. This helps us continue to bring this podcast to you ad-free!)  Book links are also affiliate links.Email us at TheGardenangelists@gmail.com  For more info on Carol and her books, visit her website.  Visit her blog May Dreams Gardens.For more info on Dee and her book, visit her website.  Visit her blog Red Dirt Ramblings.Don't forget to sign up for our newsletters, via our websites!Support the showOn Instagram: Carol: Indygardener, Dee: RedDirtRamblings, Our podcast: TheGardenangelists.On Facebook: The Gardenangelists' Garden Club.On YouTube.