Matthew (he/him) and Jo (they/them) discuss the introduction of Garak and his blossoming friendship with Bashir, Kira's conflict between her new position on DS9 and her old allegiances and then spend a little extra time talking about occupation under a new flag. Matthew asks if Jo is actually a 76 year old white man and Jo rants about how ridiculous it is that Admiral Rollman complained about getting out of a boring meeting.As always, be prepared that spoilers may be lurking around every corner just like Garak on Empok Nor.Follow us online:Twitter - @TerokNoirE-mail questions or comments:teroknoirpod@gmail.comRate and review on iTunes or wherever you download this podcast. Thanks for listening!