In a world dominated by virtual interactions, coming together in person offers an opportunity to foster deeper human connections that are impossible to achieve through any other means. Jason Fried recently took the stage in Vancouver and David Heinemeier Hansson did the same at Rails World in Amsterdam.Today, they join Kimberly Rhodes to share their unique perspectives on life beyond the digital realm. Listen in for their valuable tips for making the most of attending or speaking at conferences and embracing the personal growth that comes from stepping out of your comfort zone.Check out the full video episode on YouTubeKey Takeaways: The importance of real-life interactions to point out what's lacking in our digital-first world. The transformative power of in-person connection to reshape perceptions, and foster deeper human connections.The value of public speaking for the speaker: how speaking at conferences can help speakers distill their knowledge, engage with their audience, AND challenge themselves.Why emotion trumps content at conferences—what attendees are really seeking. Tips for navigating conferences, making meaningful connections, and pushing past your comfort zone for personal growth.Finding the right mix between expanding your social capacity, and knowing when to step back and recharge.Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X [formerly known as Twitter).If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. Links and Resources:Rails World 2023 Opening Keynote - David Heinemeier Hansson The Comfort Crisis: Embrace Discomfort To Reclaim Your Wild, Happy, Healthy Self Rework bookBooks by 37signalsSign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.comHEY World | HEY The REWORK podcastThe 37signals Dev Blog37signals on YouTubeThe Rework Podcast on YouTube@37signals on X 37signals on LinkedIn