Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson have a new book out called It Doesn't Have to be Crazy at Work, which pushes back against the toxic culture of overwork and unhealthy ambitions that’s driving much of the modern workplace. In this episode, Wailin sits down with David to talk about the book’s genesis, its intended audience, and the role of responsible software design in fostering calm work environments.We’re taking your questions for David and Jason to answer in an upcoming mailbag episode! Leave us a voicemail at (708) 628-7850 and you'll be entered into a drawing for an autographed copy of It Doesn't Have to be Crazy at Work.Show NotesIt Doesn't Have to be Crazy at Work - 1:05Jason and David’s previous books were Rework and Remote - 1:12Check out our previous mailbag episodes, here, here, and here - 1:55”Marissa Mayer: You, Too, Can Work 130 Hours a Week If You Plan When to Take a Shit“ (GIzmodo) - 7:53The quotation ”It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it“ is attributed to Upton Sinclair - 9:12Basecamp’s policies on vacation time and summer hours can be found in the company handbook - 15:56Work Can Wait - 19:57