On this episode: Zak interviews Jake Gyllenhaal, Greta Caruso, and Dan Santat about their new book, The Secret Society of Aunts & Uncles. They dive into what makes that particular relationship so special, why it’s overlooked in children’s literature, and even what goes into crafting a kids book. 

We also go over our week in triumphs and fails. Then, if you’re sticking around for Slate Plus, we share some Instagram accounts that are actually making our lives better.

Zak recommends: 

@owen.han


@daily dad 


@inspiredtowrite (author Amy McNee)


Elizabeth recommends: 


@games.4two (The Board Game Couple)


@sexpositive_families

@adailycloud


Jamilah recommends: 

@singleblackmotherhood

@goodmoms_badchoices


And of course, you can always follow your hosts on Instagram, too:

Jamilah: @jamilahlemieux


Zak: @bestadviceshow


Elizabeth: @ejdn



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