For some, getting out and about means a leisurely stroll in the sunshine. For others, it's taking on the challenge of hostile and dangerous environments. Our guests this week tell us about losing their sight and the part exploring the great outdoors has played in dealing with it.

You might associate entrepreneur and TV adventurer Amar Latif (who was awarded an OBE since we talked to him!) with challenges such as yomping in the Australian outback. However, his love of gentler pursuits is illustrated by his recent appointment as President of the Ramblers Association. Amar tells us about his plans for this role.

Wayne Pugh was left devastated when he suddenly lost his sight thirteen years ago. Now however he has re-discovered his zest for life and is literally reaching new heights. Not content with climbing Ben Nevis, he became the first blind person to complete the Elie chainwalk. Wayne tells us about his journey from heartbreak to happiness..

Presenter: Peter White
Producer: Fern Lulham
Production Coordinator: Liz Poole

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