In this episode, we continue our discussion with Dr. Joseph as he walks us through his call to pastor the Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Nashville, TN. As a young pastor, he recalls dealing with unprecedented growth. Next Level leaders understand that growth doesn’t just happen without strategy and vision. Next Level leaders are also keenly aware that growth doesn’t exempt us from personal tragedy. Dr. Joseph provides us with an up-close narrative through one of the most difficult times of his personal life, losing his first wife to cancer. He explains how we deal with public success, but private failures. Next Level leaders understand the value of transparency, community and counseling while working through traumatic experiences. Dr. Joseph considers that trauma should be transformational, and that our pain can be used to propel us to the next level.