Dr. Jerome Wagner is a clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, supervisor, consultant in private practice, and emeritus faculty member in the Department of Psychology and Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University, Chicago. On today's episode, Jerry helps us see that the true self is something that we already have and already are and maybe we don’t really have to go out and "find it," and for all the ways in which we’re different and unique and one of a kind, paradoxically, we’re also very much the same.He is innovator of the statistically validated Wagner Enneagram Personality Style Scales (WEPPS). He has been researching and teaching the Enneagram since 1980 and began the Enneagram Spectrum Training and Certification Program in 1995. Time Stamps:4:12--Jerry Wagner's answer to what does Big Self mean to him begins with starting at the surface and working your way down9:18--The ego is an exaggeration of who we are16:09--There's a lot to the Enneagram, you can stay surface or go deep25:23--Start with where you are, your pain point36:30--The integrative approach to developing with the Enneagram, and the recent development of the subtypes46:40--Let's not overthink all this, remember the K.I.S.S. methodShow Notes:Enneagram Spectrum Method9 Lenses on the WorldMore about Big Self School:We still offer our flagship burnout coaching package. We also offer packages for those seeking clarity and reconnecting to their life purpose–and we do this work with individuals and couples. Reach out to us if you’d like to book a discovery call and learn more about our coaching packages.Book a discovery call hereWant to learn more about the role stress plays in your life, and discover your blueprint for how to handle it based on your Enneagram type and subtype? Order a copy of Chad’s book Shock Point or order an ebook here.Leave us a review and subscribe on Apple iTunes or Subscribe on SpotifyFind us at bigselfschool.comJoin us on