About Eric Olden: Eric Olden is a serial entrepreneur who has made a career out of simplifying and securing enterprise identity management. He is widely respected as a thought leader in identity management and has pioneered three major paradigm shifts in the field. Eric founded, scaled, and successfully exited both Securant/ClearTrust and Symplified, where he architected and led the development of one of the first cloud identity management solutions. He also served as SVP and GM at Oracle, where he ran the identity and security business worldwide. Eric is a co-author of the SAML standard and the visionary behind the Identity Fabric. He recently founded Strata, the first distributed identity platform that solves the problem of fragmentation through a no-code software solution. Eric is obsessed with simplifying the way the industry works and has written a new identity standard called Identity Query Language (IDQL) that provides a common language for policy management in a multi-cloud world. He builds great products by getting deep into the pains of the market and loves customer development. Eric is also passionate about building great teams, finding smart people laser-focused on solving the right problems, and having fun doing it.In this episode, Aaron and Eric Olden discuss:Managing identity and security in a distributed and fragmented multi-cloud environmentThe benefits and challenges of managing identities across multi-cloud environmentsThe significance of distributed architecture and open standards for resiliency and scalabilityThe importance of avoiding cloud lock-in and implementing a multi-cloud strategy in large-scale projectsKey Takeaways:Managing identity in a multi-cloud environment is a complex and critical task, requiring a shift in thinking from an "or" mindset to an "and" mindset, and a focus on users, applications, and data, as well as a distributed information management approach.Using multiple clouds for migration allows for flexibility and options, but it's important to not become too reliant on one specific vendor and to carefully consider data warehousing.Migrating important OT systems to the cloud can be done without replacing or rebuilding applications, through identity management and a middleman layer, which allows businesses to benefit from cloud capabilities while keeping their systems safe and available, even in distributed and scaled environments.Investing in multi-cloud strategies upfront may take more time and thought, but it can save organizations from being locked in to one cloud provider and prevent costly and time-consuming re-architecting down the road. "When you think about tapping what the AI can do when you train it on the right dataset, I'm really excited about training AI for detecting fraud and finding nefarious actors." — Eric Olden Submit your most painful IAM challenge at strata.io/podcast to win a set of AirPods Pro and get their IAM problem solved by one of our identity experts.Connect with Eric Olden:  Website: https://www.strata.io/ Forbes: https://councils.forbes.com/profile/Eric-Olden-CEO-Strata-Identity/8ad54102-5ad6-4f90-b0dd-7fd211624498 Show: strata.io/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/boughtnotsold/ Connect with Aaron:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaronccrowLearn more about Industrial Defender:Website: https://www.industrialdefender.com/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/industrial-defender-inc/Twitter: https://twitter.com/iDefend_ICSYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@industrialdefender7120Audio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it.