Chris, David, and Mark are joined by the co-founder of Forum for the Future, Jonathon Porritt, and its CEO, Dr. Sally Uren. Since being founded in 1996, Forum for the Future has worked in partnership with business, governments, and civil society to accelerate the shift towards a just and regenerative future in which both people and the planet thrive. Sally and Jonathan discuss the challenges of embedding transformational change within organizations, the urgent need to pursue outcomes that are ecologically safe and socially just, the mental models this demands we embrace, and what keeps them optimistic.