The second episode of season three joins friends and National Academicians Susanna Coffey and Sangram Majumdar in a conversation about painting. Both acclaimed painters, their conversation brings the audience into the complexities of painting–the material, gesture, and how it changes with their environment. Sangram explains the evolution of his process as his paintings mark critical moments in time, from the 2016 presidency to a cross-country move. Susanna examines her own revelation with self portraits which began out of necessity for her teaching position at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. They relate with one another about the ebbs and flows of their practices over time. In sharing different touch points of their journey, the conversation turns to the concept of invisibility versus visibility. Each of them share how they create despite perceived constraints and let the work live expansively.