Julian Guthrie loves a great underdog story. She wrote about underdogs in her 20+ year journalism career and continues to do so as she cranks out one NYT’s bestseller after another. Her bestselling books include Alpha Girls, Good Blood, How to Build a Spaceship, and The Billionaire and the Mechanic. She and Patrick discuss leadership lessons that she’s learned from a career of writing about and interviewing some of the most well known leaders in the world.