In this episode, Patrick is joined by Jenny Lincoln. Jenny is described as a unicorn of speakers who could chat about paint drying, and you’d suddenly want to renovate your house. She’s vulnerable yet tough, charming but no-nonsense, and has a knack for nudging people into action. In their conversation, they discuss her transition from climbing the corporate ladder to becoming a nomadic speaker and how, along the way, she learned to embrace the messiness of being human.