Nate is joined by Dr. Bob Bell to talk about the key challenges facing our healthcare system and what we should make of the proposed expansion of for-profit delivery and surgical procedures proposed by Premier Ford. Dr. Bell is a former surgeon. He served as Ontario's Deputy Minister of Health from 2014 to 2018. And he's held senior leadership positions at a number of healthcare organizations, including as president and CEO of the University Health Network. On the healthcare file federally, the prime minister will be hosting the premiers on February 7 to make headway toward new health accords.  We've been clear at the federal level that our dollars will come with strings attached, including five priority areas. 1. Reducing backlogs and supporting our healthcare workers. 2. Enhancing access to family health services.3. Close to my heart, improving mental health and substance use services. 4. Helping Canadians age with dignity and closer to home. 5.  using health data and digital health more effectively.