We have two awesome guests joining our show today; Vanessa Bennett and Dené  Logan. They are therapists who do a deep dive into the psychology of the soul. They have their own podcast, Cheaper Than Therapy. Their whole point is to demystify, destigmatize, and desensitize what goes on both inside the therapy room and in daily life.This is the type of episode that is going to push you. It also challenged us. Vanessa and Dené  speak so vividly on why it’s important to have a sense of self throughout your entire life. They define what codependency is and how that compares to interdependence. We ask them the hard question of whether we should wait for our partners to change, should we try to change them or is it best to just accept them for who they are?In the three years of hosting this podcast, this episode is one of my (Abby) very favorites episodes. You’re not going to want to miss it!MEET VanessaMEET Dené Listen to the Cheaper Than Therapy Podcast@cheaperthantherapythepodcast on InstagramSponsor: 20% off at Vuori Clothing: https://vuoriclothing.com/pages/pod_herself_fa22_HO22Sponsor: 10% off at BETTERHELP: http://betterhelp.com/herselfLet’s connect!HERSELF SHOP: https://herself-podcast-favorites.myshopify.comHERSELF PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/herselfpodcastHERSELF INSTAGRAM: http://instagram.com/herselfpodcastMEET AMY: http://instagram.com/ameskieferMEET ABBY: http://instagram.com/abbyrosegreen