Naeem Fazel joins our lead pastor, Josh Surratt and Joey Svendsen to talk about being a Pastor when polarity seems to be at an all-time high in our country.  Naeem, long-time pastor at Seacoast Church and former mentor to a "young Josh Surratt," moved to Charlotte in 2005 to plant Mosaic church and in 2014, wrote a book called, "Ex-Muslim."Josh Surratt and Naeem Fazel, both lead pastors of churches, love all people and yearn for hope to be found and received by all. Along with Joey, the three talk about "church hurt," whether they find it important to refrain from having public connections with perennially, harm-causing Pastors, and the deeper issues at the root of the rampant division in the "capital C" church.Naeem also shares instances of racism he's endured  as a Pakistani American Pastor, many of these times, connected to folks' uneasiness of his ethnic background in the wake of the 9/11/01 attacks on America.   Stay Connected.Website | Facebook Discussion Page  In this episodeNaeem Fazel / Instagram / Mosaic ChurchEx-Muslim Book / Amazon / Audible Natasha Gray, intro co-host / InstagramJoey Svendsen, host / InstagramJosh Surratt / Instagram Haley Walters, Special guest from Seacoast Staff / Instagram Executive Producer: Josh SurrattProducer/Editor: Joey SvendsenSound Engineer/Editor: JT PriceSound Engineer: Diego GomezMusic: Joel T. Hamilton Music