Summary and the full transcript is available at: https://www.getambassador.io/developer-control-plane/developer-control-planes-a-cloud-leaders-point-of-view/

(This podcast has been republished/updated to fix the broken Spotify episode)

Additional takeaways can be found here: https://www.getambassador.io/developer-control-plane/dcp-insights-kelsey-hightower/

Kelsey Hightower (@kelseyhightower), Principal Engineer and Staff Developer Advocate at Google, and a leading voice in the cloud native and Kubernetes space, talked with Ambassador Labs's Daniel Bryant about a range of subjects, including what shifting left and developer responsibility really means, promise theory and what developers really need to be successful, and developer empathy, or stopping the practice of "cart-before-horse" coding to get to the heart of what users want first.