Summary and full transcript -> https://www.getambassador.io/developer-control-plane/developer-control-planes-a-platform-builders-point-of-view/

The unicorns of the tech world generate a lot of buzz in the cloud-native landscape. But the workhorse users who adopt cloud-native technologies slowly where it makes commercial sense don't get quite the same level of attention. Weaving cloud-native technology, not just into legacy systems that deliver on a business's core mission, but also into risk-averse commercial organizations is no easy feat.

Founded in 2002, Veterans United Home Loans, is a leader in helping US military families purchase homes using Veterans Affairs (VA) loan services. Technology shifts have been slow and steady, focusing on stability, automation and making the loan process as easy as possible for customers. Alan Barr (@alanmbarr), Internal Developer and Security Platform Product Owner at Veterans United Home Loans, spoke at length with Ambassador's Head of DevRel, Daniel Bryant, about the company's 20-year journey and their steps into the cloud-native landscape.

Among other subjects, they covered technology adoption and getting comfortable with cloud native when using legacy systems in commercial settings, building the business case for investing in a developer platform, and defining the developer experience.