Well jeez. What can we say? We're totally honoured to host and learn from Aubrey Gordon, author and co-host of Maintenance Phase. She gives us the rundown on anti-fat bias,  its links to racism, the soft eugenics of the BMI, the insincere "concern" of the slender, and the intellectual and moral dead end of "being fat is a choice." We also get into some psychothinalysis. Oh yes we do.It's super inspiring to interview someone with a deep command of crucial material, plus the ability to pivot in startling directions, plus the skill to listen as fluently as they speak, plus all that warmth and welcome and empathy and accessibility. Thanks Aubrey! Show Notes:Your Fat Friend websiteWhat We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Fat“You Just Need to Lose Weight” AND 19 OTHER MYTHS ABOUT FAT PEOPLE—PreorderMaintenance PhaseCorrection section: The NHS was limiting care for fat people and smokers *before* the pandemic (The Guardian), but backed off of that stance *during* the pandemic (NYT) before naming weight loss as one of its primary COVID strategies (Time Magazine).-- -- --Support us on PatreonPre-order our bookHere we are on IGFollow Derek, Matthew, and Julian on TwitterOriginal music by EarthRise SoundSystem