A talk with conflict resolution specialist Guy Burgess, who, along with his wife Heidi Burgess, run the project www.beyondintractability.org. Guy and Heidi wrote a paper in 2022 titled "Applying conflict resolution insights to the hyper‐polarized, society‐wide conflicts threatening liberal democracies." I talk with Guy about: liberal-side contributions to our us-vs-them divides; the common objections people can have to seeing polarization as a problem that both sides must tackle; how some in the conflict resolution space may be hindered by liberal-side bias and polarization; the Burgess's ideas for what society must do to reduce polarization to more healthy levels, and more.  Support the show