As the opposition's party conference takes place in Liverpool, Christopher Hope is joined by two Labour bigwigs from past and present.Architect of New Labour and now Chairman of Global Counsel, Peter Mandelson joins Christopher Hope to talk about why he believes the public thinks it is safe to vote Labour again, how Sir Keir Starmer's power is that he's "more national than ideological" and confessed that he misses being in Government "every single day". Plus, to Chopper's delight, he declares his support for a new national flagship named after the late Queen Elizabeth.Also on the podcast, Shadow Levelling Up Secretary Lisa Nandy takes a seat at the Red Lion to talk about how her party can capitalise on the Conservatives' shift to the right, how the right don't have a monopoly on patriotism, and whether she misses Michael Gove.For 30 days' free access to The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/chopper |Sign up to the Chopper's Politics newsletter: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politicsnewsletter|Listen to Call Bethel: https://podfollow.com/call-bethel|Email: chopperspolitics@telegraph.co.uk |We'd like to ask you a few questions about the ads in this podcast. Please click here to take a quick survey.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.