A dark day for Europe. Armed forces minister James Heappey joins Christopher Hope in the Red Lion pub to talk about how the government should respond to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The MP for Wells warns that decisions made in Western capitals over the next week cannot be viewed as a "quick fix" for such an 'epoch changing' moment, and why the UK will not be committing troops. Also on the podcast, Bob Seely MP, decries years of what he calls 'government complacency then panic' towards Russian aggression. Plus, Chris is joined by two journalists covering this unfolding story on the ground - the Telegraph's own Nataliya Vasilyeva in Moscow describes the shock of the Russian people and banks running out of foreign currency and The Times' Askold Krushelnycky in the East of Ukraine talks about the calm, quiet determination of the Ukrainians in the region. Read more from Nataliya: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/n/na-ne/nataliya-vasilyeva/ |For 30 days' free access to The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/chopper |Sign up to the Chopper's Politics newsletter: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/newsletters |Listen to History Defended: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history-defended |Email: chopperspolitics@telegraph.co.uk |See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.