The Education Secretary joins Christopher Hope in the Red Lion following the release of his white paper. Nadhim Zahawi stresses why he thinks teachers should focus on teaching young minds how to think, not what to think, why schools should maybe have stayed open for everyone during the pandemic, and how he's applying his experience from the vaccine rollout to his new role. Plus, the Telegraph's Ben Riley-Smith gives us the lay of the land when it comes to the Prime Minister's standing as war rages in Europe, a cost of living crisis looms, and the spectre of 'partygate' returns. For 30 days' free access to The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/chopper |Sign up to the Chopper's Politics newsletter: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/newsletters |Listen to Ukraine The Latest: https://www.playpodca.st/ukraine |Email: chopperspolitics@telegraph.co.uk |See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.