Chris and Jonathan discuss Australia’s COVID-19 response with epidemiologist Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz and compare it to Canada’s. Do lockdowns work? Are school closures necessary? Have we learned anything about how to manage a pandemic? The answers often turn out to be, “It depends….”   1:47 Gid in the eye of the European storm 3:45 Australia’s immediate response to COVID-19 5:52 Canada’s jet-lagged mandate to quarantine travellers 8:00 Was Australia lucky? 10:33 The May 2020 outbreak 14:58 Australians do love their laws / Right-wing liberals 20:00 Contact tracing in Quebec and Australia 25:45 The best approach to contain a pandemic 29:25 Did we learn anything? 35:12 Do lockdowns work? 38:30 Do lockdowns cause more benefits or harm? 40:45 Are school closures necessary? 44:55 The problem with the news 49:04 Predictions     * Theme music: “Fall of the Ocean Queen“ by Joseph Hackl.   To contribute to The Body of Evidence, go to our Patreon page at: http://www.patreon.com/thebodyofevidence/.   Patrons get a bonus show on Patreon called “Digressions”! Check it out!     Links: 1) Gid M-K on Twitter: https://twitter.com/GidMK 2) Gid M-K’s blog on Medium: https://gidmk.medium.com/ 3) Gid M-K’s podcast, Sensationalist Science: https://soundcloud.com/senscipod