In this episode Susan and Stephan discuss the differences between the progressive and direct paths. Stephan brings a unique perspective on both approaches as he is a former Zen monk who later studied under Jean Klein and Adyashanti and is himself a teacher of non duality, as well as being a psychotherapist. Susan and Stephan reflect on the differences between an intellectual understanding of the teachings and Self realization and what it is that wakes up.Stephan gives a flavor of what he will be teaching in his live 4 part Workshop in October, Discover Your Natural State of Awakened Awareness Learn more about the The Awareness Podcast and access show notes for every episode at: www.teachersofgod.org/podcastLearn more about The Teachers of God Foundation at: www.teachersofgod.org Original music by Omashar