Hello, and welcome to episode 135 of the Childless not by Choice Podcast. My name is Civilla Morgan. My mission is to recognize and speak to childless not by choice women and men around the world, reminding you that you can live a joyful, relevant, fulfilled, childless not by choice, life.   Whether you have children or not, thank you for tuning in!   What is today’s show about? The Empty Cradle But before I continue, let me say thank you to...   ...my Patreon contributors: I would like to take a moment to thank the people who make a financial contribution to the platform on a monthly basis, my Patreon Contributors.    Your contributions help pay my podcast producer, my podcast host, Zoom, where I interview most of my guests, etc. So thank you very much!      If you are not yet a Patron, visit patreon.com/childlessnotbychoice to set up your monthly contribution. No matter your giving level, I have a gift for you!   If you prefer to give via PayPal, you can find me there at booksbycivillamorgan@gmail.com.  Your contributions to the platform are greatly appreciated! Thank you! https://www.patreon.com/Childlessnotbychoice  Jordan Morgan The Knights Susie Tiffany Your Name Here   https://www.patreon.com/Childlessnotbychoice    Questions or comments? Contact me at:   Email: Info@civillamorgan.com                                                  Or   Visit the website at www.childlessnotbychoice.net look to the left on the home screen and click on the link below the telephone to leave me an up to 90-second voicemail.   Intro: Sarah Roberts I’ve known about our guest for quite some time. You know how you travel in the same circle as someone, but you’ve never been introduced, you’ve never met, but you know the person exists?  Then one day I came across her platform’s intro video on YouTube, and I asked myself why I had never interviewed her. I watched her video three times before I decided to ask if she would be a guest.  There is a link to the video in the show notes. Check it out. It really captured me. And I am so happy she said yes.     Sarah Roberts, welcome to the show!  ***Acknowledgement of the traditional owners of the country.   Questions/Conversation starters: I am intrigued. Your background is in counseling, social work in child protection, youth work, drugs and alcohol, teaching, HIV/AIDS prevention, teaching, community education and community arts. How and why did you make the switch from that to speaking to grief therapy, to speaking to the involuntarily childless?    ‘We really need to be doing this work ourselves.’ Therapy for childlessness. People need to start from a place of respect.     Explain the ‘social context of childlessness’.   How does your faith and spirituality, your Christian perspective, come into play in our childlessness arena? How do you use it in your counseling?      So, diversity: why is it important to you? What does cultural appropriateness have to do with childlessness?       There is the ongoing counselling work I do with women towards the end of their fertility journey and coming to terms with permanent involuntary childlessness.  I also offer individual and group programs, courses and community.       Sarah's quote: ‘We really need to do this work ourselves.’--Sarah Roberts 'Is there something wrong with me?'--Sarah Roberts   Links of interest: https://www.theemptycradle.com/home.html https://childlessnotbychoice.net/episode-126-she-i-dare-not-name-a-spinsters-meditation-on-life-my-conversation-with-author-donna-ward/ https://childlessnotbychoice.net/episode-125-are-we-being-good-ancestors/   More information on the Australian Aboriginal Community https://aiatsis.gov.au/   The story of Hannah https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1samuel+1&version=NIV Sarah’s Contact information: http://www.theemptycradle.com/ https://linktr.ee/theemptycradle Email - support@theemptycradle.com Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/involuntarychildlessness/ Instagram – https://www.insta