I have had a wonderful conversation about how well the maritime industry matches the tech industry when attracting the next generation and the talents that we need. I spoke with Caitlin Hardy, Vice President, Programs, Kongsberg Maritime Inc., and am happy to share this in the 179th episode of the Shipping Podcast. We also speak about the culture of the maritime industry and how brave Caitlin is to have changed jobs a couple of times to be able to get a perspective on our beloved industry.  Caitlin is also coming up with suggestions for the challenges we all face. For example, there are ways to eat the elephant, bit by bit. What is your view? Please let us know, both Caitlin and I love a good discussion.