In episode 170, an interview I did IRL, you meet Frank Relou, Business Development and Commercial Manager, Sea Machines Robotics EMEA, who came to Gothenburg on his business trip. I had the opportunity to sit down with him and discuss autonomous shipping, AI and Internet of Things, among other things. When can we expect autonomous ships? Can the sailing fleet be retrofitted to become autonomous? How do we attract young people to our industry? Why does it take so long to set a new course for this conservative industry?  A lot of questions that we discuss in this episode. What is your view? Please drop me a line at hello@shippingpodcast.com and let me know. Thank you for listening.