Welcome to the 161st episode of the Shipping Podcast, in which you will be listening to Marina Hadjipateras, Founder & General Partner, TMV, an early-stage venture capital fund. Marina is second-generation Shipowners who now is investing in sustainability, shipping, logistics, work and care. She is looking for start-ups interested in the maritime industry but may not understand the business. Examples of companies that Marina has engaged in are Nautilus Labs and Transmute.  We discuss what impact the pandemic has had on the maritime industry. Marina thinks that since more people have access to see and understand how the maritime industry works, that has lead to a greater interest in our line of business. The mindset of "don't fix what isn't broken" is gone. Now it's more open ears and hearts interested in listening to new ideas prevalent in the maritime industry.  Thank you for listening. I am @lenagothberg on most online channels. Please give me a shout-out and let me know what you think about Marina's view of things.