In this episode, Steve, Ange & Joel are joined by Denise Ernst (USA), Simon Adamson (New Zealand), Shaun Shelly (South Africa) and surprise guest Molly Magill (USA) to explore how MI has changed the way we think about and work with addictions and addictive behaviours. The conversation meandered into a range of areas from about how we hold people in mind and in heart to do we need the word "treatment" anymore.