Matt Yglesias joins Josh to make the case for popularism – the idea that politicians win by doing popular things and talking about them. Sounds obvious, right? Well, it’s controversial, and besides, figuring out what’s popular isn’t always easy. Matt has specific ideas for Joe Biden to be popular. Plus, Matt revisits his endorsement of Bernie Sanders and describes his experience of appearing on Joe Rogan’s podcast, which included being “fat shamed” and then losing 50 pounds. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Get full access to Very Serious at www.joshbarro.com/subscribe