“I’m tired of having this conversation, I’m tired of seeing these images, I’m tired of the pain and the trauma.” Ben Chan sits down with Luis and talks about his experience growing up in New York an American born Chinese and the racism he encountered. Luis and Ben have the hard conversation of what diversity and inclusion actually looks like. Ben shares his experience of donating a kidney, donating his NY Marathon medal, GVRAT, why his race team withdrew from CRAW, BLM, and finding HBCUs Outside. Support Road Dog Podcast by: 1. Joining the Patreon Community: https://www.patreon.com/roaddogpodcast 2. Subscribe to the podcast on whatever platform you listen on. Ben Chan Contact Info: Instagram: @malerunner FB: https://www.facebook.com/UppityChinaman/ HBCUs Outside FB: https://www.facebook.com/HBCUsOutside/ Luis Escobar (Host) Contact: luis@roaddogpodcast.com Luis Instagram Kevin Lyons (Producer) Contact: kevin@roaddogpodcast.com yesandvideo.com Music: Slow Burn by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Photo: Photography by Kaori Peters kaoriphoto.com Road Dog Podcast Adventure With Luis Escobar www.roaddogpodcast.com