When life gets super challenging, we often look towards leaders for guidance -- whether it's a political leader, religious leader, community or group leader, or parent. But what happens when the leader doesn't feel like they can lead? What happens when the leader is struggling just as much as those who are relying on them?Our guest today is a female rabbi who describes to us not only what its like to go through some of life's biggest shifts in a very public way (IVF, pregnancy, loss of a parent) but also how it feels to try to stay  present for all the people who depend on her in their grief, pain, and joy while a pandemic rages on. Plus, find out how The Indigo Girls kind of helped change everything for the better for her.