Bonnie and Audrey talk with Carina about finding Creative Time as moms. Between the two of them, these women have 19 children so finding time is an impressive feat! Learn some tactical ways to find that time from these two brilliant women.   __________ Download Carina’s free guide: The 7 Tips Nobody Will Tell You About Becoming a Surface Pattern Designer here: http://eepurl.com/dN2RcY  __________ About Carina Gardner: Carina Gardner is a fabric designer, paper designer, and design educator who is passionate about helping other designers fulfill their creative dreams by teaching them her strategies for making money as a designer. She has a Ph.D. in Design and taught design at the University of Minnesota before starting Carina Gardner, Inc.   Carina Gardner, Inc design brand has been featured in dish ware, holiday decor, sewing patterns, and more. Her exclusive Design Suite Program helps creatives make money designing as they learn to design. Her programs include Illustrator and Photoshop training, surface pattern design, paper design, Silhouette & Cricut file design, and running a design business. She started the Make and Design Podcast so that she could share inspiration, stories, and experiences about design and life with crafters and designers.   Find out more at https://www.carinagardner.com Check out her most popular program, Design Bootcamp, here: http://www.carinagardnercourses.com/designbootcamp  Watch this episode as a video at https://www.makeanddesign.com/   About Today’s Guests Bonnie (10 kids) and Audrey (9 kids) are two amazing moms, bloggers, and podcasters who share their ideas and creations with the world. You can learn more about Bonnie and Audrey at the Outnumbered Podcast.   https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/outnumbered-the-podcast/id1450317711