In the first of two interviews, I speak to Patrick Magee, the IRA volunteer who bombed Conservative Party Conference in 1984, whose memoirs 'Where Grieving Begins' has just been published. We talk about how he joined the armed Republican struggle, how he came to bomb Brighton, whether he has regrets, and how he befriended Jo Berry - who I speak to in the second interview - who is the bereaved daughter of Sir Anthony Berry, who died in the attack. We discuss reconciliation - and what can be learned from their friendship.Please help our media project grow here: https://patreon.com/owenjones84Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/the-owen-jones-podcast. Our GDPR privacy policy was updated on August 8, 2022. Visit acast.com/privacy for more information.