Prologue This week we have the pleasure of having Kevin Pope, one of Raf's close and long-time friends, and someone who's had one heck of a journey into and through our industry. Kevin is a veteran, a security-curious, and  cyber security professional - and he's also got some metered opinions too. We discuss hiring, staffing, and some of the issues we've collectively - and he specifically - have seen. Give this one a listen if you want to understand why we have the staffing problem in cyber-security that we do. Seriously.   Guest Kevin Pope LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/screamingbyte/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/screamingbyte