Prologue Huge thanks to Prevailion's Karim Hijazi for taking the time with us to dissect this Gartner headline and article on "adversaries killing people using OT". As we expected, a sensationalist headline, followed by some mildly fluffy stuff, with a kernel of truth. Good discussion nonetheless, though, and I even learned a thing. Links The Gartner article referenced: https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2021-07-21-gartner-predicts-by-2025-cyber-attackers-will-have-we Guest Karim Hijazi LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karimhijazi/ Previous episode: http://ftwr.libsyn.com/dtsr-episode-426-tpa-winning-intelligence-collecting-zombies