Today, something a little different. Ezra Klein, the founder of Vox, recently spoke with Chris on his podcast, The Ezra Klein Show. Editor to editor, aspirational human to aspirational human. We’re sharing it with you now because we think listeners of this show might appreciate Ezra’s thoughtful style.

Chris and Ezra discuss religion, the nuanced complexity of human nature, and why Chris believes ideas matter now more than ever. Which ideas, overshadowed by the day’s headlines, are quietly reshaping the world we live in? Perhaps more than any politician? And, in an age of tribalism-fueled skepticism, how can we keep people open to hearing ideas that may nudge them out of their comfort zones?

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