How can we reimagine our relationship with nature? Why do we need to bring down the emissions of the rich more than all? How can we bridge climate science with indigenous knowledge? A profound interview with leading climate figure Hindou Ibrahim, an indigenous leader and member of Mbororo people in Chad and President of the Association for Indigenous Women and Peoples of Chad (AFPAT). We’re also joined by Tim Gore, the climate guru behind Oxfam’s fascinating new research showing how bringing down the emissions of the richest is crucial to the fight against climate change. This is episode 2 of the EQUALS podcast Season 3 – and if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews  – from talking with Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, to world-leading rebel economist Devaki Jain on the care economy, to Darrick Hamilton on race and inequality, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) on what comes after the pandemic.Do listen, subscribe, and share with your friends and family. And follow us on @equalshope on Twitter.  See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.