A gripping conversation for our Season 2 opener with Anand Giridharadas, who says ‘I think the best thing to do with billionaires would be to not have them anymore’.Anand, with his many interviews and his brilliant best-selling book, ‘Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World’, has been described as ‘the scourge of plutocrats everywhere’.In this fascinating conversation on the eve of the Davos World Economic Forum, Anand asks why we would ever think that the people responsible for today’s extreme inequality are capable of solving it. Why do we think it is possible to magically benefit those at the bottom whilst continuing to benefit those at the top? He shows how so many billionaires have captured the whole idea of change and revolution, using it instead to defend the status quo. Anand looks at the power of language, and how the left has failed to mount a defense against this onslaught from elites pretending to ‘change the world’. He believes that people are beginning to see through the elite charade – and finds hope in this. Presented by Nadia Daar and Nabil Ahmed. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.