Prologue: Because we can't get enough of Brandon Dunlap and Shawn Tuma over here on the podcast, here we go again. Last episode Brandon talked about responsibility and accountability - so when we saw the story about a CISO being indicted for being less-than-truthful to the FTC, we couldn't resist. This episode is powerful, and doesn't tiptoe around difficult topics. Guests: Brandon Dunlap Twitter: @bsdunlap LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bsdunlap/ Shawn Tuma Twitter: @shawnetuma LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnetuma/